Herd herself took the stand to talk and describe several instances of alleged abuse. She says she feels this pressure on her pubic bone, which she later determines was him sexually assaulting her with a bottle. Her lawyers are arguing that it shows that he's the kind of person who is the abuser in the relationship, not the victim.
This episode contains strong language and details of a sexual assault accusation.
Since a jury ruled in favor of Johnny Depp in his defamation case against his ex-wife Amber Heard, there has been impassioned debate about what exactly the outcome means for the #MeToo movement.
It raises the question: If people being accused of sexual assault can potentially win defamation cases in court, what does that mean for the accused — and the accusers — moving forward?
Guest: Julia Jacobs, a culture reporter for The New York Times.
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