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Episode 090: What About Sad Heaven?

At Last She Said It

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Are We Normalizing Talking About It?

"We've got to normalize talking about this in a way that feels expansive," she says. "I don't know anyone that needs to be told, shape up, work harder to get your family to heaven." We want more than anything, like Chako said, rest, love and validation - not the hustle or power of perfection.

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