You shouldn't have taken him. The big, another big one for me, they had so much momentum, sailed with their scrum, and winning that battle. Simon McIntyre at Lucid Propp was getting penalty after penalty of Ricione. And then they're 45 minutes in, they take the whole front row off. And then that turn, Bevan Rod comes on two minutes later, he's given the penalty away at Scrum time. They got away with one, didn't they? Elliot Daly had his foot on the touch line when they thought he scored. Sail then have the line out, which they mess up the line out. Give a scrum penalty away off the back of that as well, which led to three points. And it just changed that momentum. It changed that thought process of Luke Pierce, who by the way, first promotion fine, I thought he was outstanding. I can't believe that was his first one. Yeah, but you got to tip the slipper as well to the referee and team. Look at you. Look at you. Well, hold on. Credit where it's due, Tom Foley has TMI. I thought he was excellent. Van Zee was tri. He gave Acavander Mova tri.

He gave. Algern was a, Algern was acavander Mova. Sorry, I had to jump in on that. Awesome. Ridiculous.

And I thought him, especially Tom Foley and Luke Pierce handled the game exceptionally well. And tip of the slipper to them, they had the Doddy Tartan for the MND. My name's Doddy Foundation on their shirts as well. That's what I thought was an amazing touch as well. And you get to finals. It's really nice seeing things like that. But momentum swings. So why take your whole front row from 45 minutes? It seems like a preconceived plan. But I think in finals, you sometimes just have to go with the feeling not on the field, even if you've got a plan to make substitutions at times. And they shouldn't have taken their front row off till probably 55, 60 minutes maybe, because they had such dominance there and it was turning for them. Yeah, Bev and Rod came on and did well, sort of balling handy school to try, floated past over the top, which was great, but when you've got that much momentum at scrum time, same thing that happened to Lester and the semi final. Why take down Cole off when you've got momentum as you tie it? They're the most important players by the tens on the pitch. So a few little errors that sail or look back on and no doubt, Alex Anderson will analyze a little bit of an experience in the back three. The back three have been brilliant all year, but carbon to get that kick charge down. The kick through by Alex Guell in the first half, they're just out of position as well. And it was fine, fine margins that final that defined the winners. And Saracens lent on all their experience, all their high class quality players with the experience of winning big finals like that. And so I'll be back with that show of a doubt. It's not the end for them. It's the start. And like you said, you get experience from losing finals, then you go into winning later on and every team's done that. Every team in the world has lost a few to get to the winners post. Saracens did years ago, too long did in the Champions Cup and all that stuff. And then you end up winning and winning and Saracens definitely bounced back. But they will look back on that game with a few regrets about some of the decisions that Al Sanderson made as head coach on substitutions. And then a few little errors that end up being massive in the game of such fine margins.

You've both touched on the experience factor. What is it that Saracens would have learned that they'll be able to take into the next final to be successful?

It's hard to put into words. It's the feeling, the feeling of the pressure, the build up, the hysteria, the feeling of losing. It is a hard thing to talk about. Look, Goudi's probably better than me because of the position that he played in. I was very emotion led and charged. And by the end, I was very desperate. And I also played in a very good team, the book end of my career. So at Leicester and the experience which was in that team, it was littered with all the 2003 World Cup winners. And then the back end of my career at Saracens, it was littered with lads who'd been in finals. Like when I joined Saracens, they got beat by Northampton in the Prem final in extra time for a pick and go. Wayne Barnes apparently could see it, but no one else could see it. Hey, come on. Don't go after Referee's gym. I love Barnes. He actually was asking for you at the rugby writers dinner on Thursday. It genuinely was. He was actually right. I think he's forgiven you. Yeah. And then Saracens went on to lose against too long. They got hammered in the European Cup then. They lost two finals, but being in them. So it's the experience of being in big moments, how you prepare for them. Alex Anderson is a coach as well. Yes, he's coach Saracens, but he's not had to make them decisions on taking players off the strategy around it. So there's a number of different things getting there. And this is the thing like getting there is so difficult. It's you look at the football, I looked at the Coventry and Lewton having to do what they had to do to get to that point. It is an absolute slog and the experience of getting to there and the time and the energy and the ups and the downs, but you think about what sale have been through this season, like George Ford's been out for the majority of the season. Rob DePere has been playing 10. They've only just managed to move them out to 13. Manateur Alangies been in and out, been dropped for it from England, get sent off a high shot when he comes back against Northampton. There's a load of stuff in the mix isn't there that they've been kind of going through a lot players retiring. So it's managing all them emotions and just going back to the point sale. Even in it, loved the way that they played, but really when you look at the season, Sarris has been on paper, head and shoulders. Yes, they've started through parts of the season, but it was a team that I picked to win it from the start and looking forward at the weekend for just the reasons that I've given. Yeah, one of Jim's favourite

sayings is going to the well.