Join us as we dive into the concept of the perpetual male genocide and the harsh realities men face in today's dating world. From the historical bottleneck of the Y chromosome to modern fertility rates, we explore the challenges men encounter while trying to find a partner. We'll also touch on societal expectations, gender roles, and the intricate dance between men's and women's evolving roles. Are women inadvertently making it harder for themselves by pushing for equality? How does this impact men's chances of passing on their genes? We'll navigate these questions and more in this thought-provoking episode.

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Malcolm Collins: Hello, Simone! I'm excited to talk to you today. Today we are going to be talking about the perpetual male genocide. Ooh! And this is to say that males are in the process of being genocided in a way that's kind of irrelevant. Not, not for males, but for humans. But that it is something that has been going on for a long time throughout all of human history.

And I think I would

Simone Collins: argue it's been happening since Genders existed, sexes existed.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah, and I'd argue that

It's important to internalize this in your world model, especially if you are a male and you are out there trying to date because if you don't you will make the mistake of so many males I've heard who are out there dating and they're just go it's just so hard. It's so Unfair I'm just not gonna find a partner.

It's like Yeah, [00:01:00] yeah, it is really. What do you mean? It's like, yeah, it is unfair and hard and you need to get through that. And it's not even the hardest it's been. So, for example, when they're like, oh, come on, it couldn't have always could be worse in the past between 8000 to 4000 years ago, there was a pronounced reduction in Y chromosome diversity, indicating a genetic bottleneck in male heritage.

The period consides the transition from a hunter gatherer society to agricultural societies, known as the Neolithic period. While the exact ratio varies depending on the study and methodology, one striking estimate suggests that for every man who reproduced, 17 women did. Oof. So as bad as things are now Yeah, you think it's bad now.

They were worse for your ancestors.

Simone Collins: And as it stands now, tell me if I have this wrong, in the United States, around 61 percent of men have kids versus like 80 percent of women. Yes. So, I mean, it's admittedly bad. You've [00:02:00] basically got a coin toss as to whether or not you're, you're going to pass on your line at all. And this is having kids.

You know, we still argue that if you have one kid, you know, you've already basically halved your genetic future. I mean, you haven't replaced yourself at all. You need to have more than two kids for that. So. Yeah, I mean, I wish there were better stats for us on like the number of men who have had three or more Children because that's who I would say has actually survived, you know, who's actually going to make it into the future.

What I do know is that under 5 percent of women in America have more than five children.

Malcolm Collins: So by the way, this is from Pew, it's 86 percent of women ages 40 to 44 are mothers and this was in 2018.

Simone Collins: Oh wow. Okay.

Malcolm Collins: 86 percent Except I think

Simone Collins: most of those have only one or two and again, like only five have more than five.

And you know, those are the ones who I really see as.

Malcolm Collins: And I contrast that 86 percent was in the same study, 61 percent of men. Now I want you to contrast those two numbers with [00:03:00] over 50 percent of Gen X women planning to have no kids at all. If you're wondering how quickly population rates are going to drop, or how much harder things are for you than your parents generation, I am reminded of that scene when people are like, well, surely like everyone who tries and puts their all into this is going to make it through.

I'm like, no, no, no, no. You don't get how bad it is. In Starship Troopers there's this scene where they're like, oh, it's just. Random flashes of light. And it's just like, it's just random statistical anomalies whenever there's like a low birthrate country. And I'm like, no! No, it's not! This is catastrophic!

And then it's, Someone made a mistake! Someone made a big f*****g mistake! And, and, and the mistake is so big the ships are going down.

Okay?

Bug batteries. According to military intelligence, it'll be random

Gibson fertility rate.

[00:04:00] Daddy as she goes. Number two,

this isn't random

Malcolm Collins: Gibson fertility rate.

Someone made a mistake. Someone made a big goddamn mistake.

Malcolm Collins: And when there's the guy who's looking at me and it's like, well why, why wasn't I able to get a partner? It's like, sometimes it's just luck of the draw. Sometimes it's just, but the game is harder than it has ever been.

Simone Collins: Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: Or at least in the past hundred years or so. No I'll note here in a recent video, if you were like, oh Malcolm, you have no idea how hard it is for men in the dating market right now.

No I do. But when I give advice, like if you are not panicked at 25 and unmarried, you're not going to have a lot of kids and keep your genes in the gene pool. This advice, is it [00:05:00] taking into account health fair? That advice is it's taking into account. That that advice is intended for somebody whose genes are going to stay in the gene pool.

And that is still true for that section of our audience. The vast majority of the male audience on this show is just not going to reproduce likely. That's the reality of the world that we live in right now. So when I give advice, On of this is how you find a wife or something like that. And you're like, well, that light advice would never apply to me is because. It's not intended for you.

You were unlikely to secure a wife anyway. , it's intended for the person who was likely to have like six or seven kids and secure a wife. Which is a smaller segment of the audience. And you can say, well, why don't you give advice that applies to all the men in the audience. Because then I'd be lying. You know, as well as I do how hard it is out there. That's why the advice I give is designed for the subsection who actually has a chance.

People have big income, so normalized to the [00:06:00] influencer grifter who goes out there and tells guys, Hey, have you just do X, Y, and Z, that everything will work out for you. I'm not that kind of influencer. I will tell you, there are a huge portion of guys out there where you go out and you do X, Y, and Z.

It's still not going to work for you because things are just that hard. So when I give advice, it has to be. Attuned for the people who might actually get through this.

But I would note here that everyone should be acting as if they are one of the people who is likely to get through this, because there's no point in acting in any other way.

As we say, if you're in a trolley and you don't know if it's a yellow or blue trolley, but you know that on yellow trolleys, when you hit the red button in the center, it stops and doesn't go off the cliff.

Because you don't know for certain, even if you think it's very likely you're in a blue trolley, it's still worth slamming that button.

I think that training montage and kill bill is a good example of what modern dating is like.

[00:07:00] Huh! Ah! Hmph! You're finished! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah!

Malcolm Collins: And I also ain't no Jordan Peterson. I am not going to go up here and cry for all of the men who has to face such unfairness within this generation.

All I can say is I expect for you what I would have expected for myself, which is that if I'm going to go down, I want to go down fighting. With my faith facing the enemy. And the problem not running.

Even if the enemy outnumbers me, even if the odds are against my favor, this is of course assuming that there isn't another pathway through, in which case, yes. Break, run. Find the other solution.

This is for you new people. I only have one rule. Everyone fights, no one quits. If you don't do your job, I'll shoot you.

Simone Collins: [00:08:00] Yeah. Yeah. You have, and I think that the important thing is men need to recognize. When they complain, the complaints I hear typically come from the perspective of, and this is not fair. This is unjust. And when you make that argument, this is unjust, the implication there is, and so we have to fix it.

Like, you know, and I will not rest until this is resolved. If you don't stop fighting until this resolved, you are not going to take care of yourself. You are not going, you know, like you need to understand that. I would argue that sexual differentiation in a species just means. That you're going to have to live with the reality that the, that being male means that you have been given sort of a disposable gender status.

I think

Malcolm Collins: it's disposable gender to be disposable. In other

Simone Collins: words, men are supposed to be a way for really advantageous mutations [00:09:00] to populate in a, in a population really quickly. To expand. So you like you, you, if you are suddenly a uniquely fit male due to some weird, interesting mutation can spread your genes immensely far throughout a population.

Arguably. Whereas, you know, if you were somewhat mediocre, you won't. So overall the population benefits from only a very small number of men who have the best traits making sure that those traits are passed on and everyone benefits, whereas women are more just like. The substrate on which things are carried forward so they don't matter as much and that's why they they get to they get to play, although, you know, this is hardly, you know, in the history of mankind, a huge benefit because.

Historically, gestating and raising children was very risky and painful. And, you know, in

Malcolm Collins: childbirth historically has been died in war.

Simone Collins: Yeah. So it's not like [00:10:00] women are rewarded with having kids. No. I mean, as a man, you won the lottery. If you were having kids as a woman, you were sent into battle for having kids, you know, it's dangerous stuff.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah., it's very much like that Iron Man scene where somebody's like, Oh, this is unfair.

And dad went to 7 Eleven to get scratchers. I guess he won because that was six years ago.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Hmm. Which happens, dads leave. No need to be a pussy about it. Here's what I need.

Malcolm Collins: This happened to me. And it's like, don't be a pussy. You know, like, yeah, it's unfair. Like what, what womanly talk to be complaining about how unfair it all is. It is unfair. That's the point. Of two genders. Okay. Figure it out. And they're like, well, if things were more monogamous, even when things were more monogamous, you had a really high rates of outside fertilization.

It's just that you are more likely to become a cock,

In, in early America. But there's a secondary problem here, which is making this [00:11:00] all uniquely hard. And in a way, women have done this to themselves, which is women tried to create a society. That were where they chose men who are better because that's what they want They want a man who is better than them.

Like that's what most women are programmed to want, right? Then they're like, but we also want equal pay. I love this like get better line that so many women They're like we need men who are better and i'm like, what do you mean by better? And they're like well by that I mean that he has more money than me or he has a better job than me and i'm like wait Didn't you fight for gender equality and pay?

Yeah, that's

Simone Collins: the problem You

Malcolm Collins: Yeah, I mean, I guess I did. It's like, so do you understand why there aren't men who are better than you and earning more than you

Simone Collins: don't have

Malcolm Collins: partners, do you get it now? This is the result of the equal pay thing. Women still want men who are better. And this is what this whole, like, I want better movement is about.

It is women not understanding what they've done to themselves. Which is. [00:12:00] Yeah, you do. You're biologically programmed to want that, but you removed the better by ensuring that only I want a guy who's more educated than me. Well, that's not going to happen. Look at the statistics on who's getting college degrees now.

You created this world.

Simone Collins: Minor issue there. Yeah. I, I mean, and I, I struggle with this, but I think any, any effort, To correct this for like from a governmental standpoint, like let's systematically disempower women. It's it's a stupid argument.

Malcolm Collins: No, you just got to understand it's harder than it's ever been and that's not necessarily Yeah, I

Simone Collins: the the big thing is is take your foot off the neck of men if you are a business or government like stop this Anti male stuff because you're only hurting everyone, including women who really want to find a partner, but can't find enough men who are at their [00:13:00] level or above because that's what they want.

So you are actively hurting women by doing this to men. And I think that's that's what's artificial is just. Stop, like take, take the, take the cement weights off of them and they will do a lot better, but also culture that, that fosters male excellence too. I think we, I don't, I

Malcolm Collins: don't think it's possible to get there from where we are today,

Simone Collins: except

Malcolm Collins: for the way we raise our own kids and do our own families at a government level, at a culture level.

It's very hard to win this fight. Well,

Simone Collins: and, but we're up against a really big fight. thing. Even when we look at this culturally, when you consider the number of couples undergoing IVF, who actively choose female embryos.

Malcolm Collins: By the way so if you look at Microsoft clinics within the U.

Simone Collins: Okay.

Malcolm Collins: It, 90 percent of couples. for family balancing reasons. That means they already have kids and they want more of one gender than the other and 80 percent choose girls. [00:14:00] Now I should note this isn't the case overall with choices, but that's because you're often including like Asians in the data set and they always choose boys, which messes things up.

But

One thing where people can be like, Oh, well, this is just a strict negative that men are getting so fucked over uniquely was in this generation.

Simone Collins: And it's

Malcolm Collins: like, well, not really, because if you win as a man, if you have even a few kids, much less, if you have tons of kids, the genetic reward of being a competent male who won through that genetic strategy and having lots of kids is dramatically better in this generation than maybe at any other time in human history.

Because so few men are going to pass this particular gauntlet, especially pass it through means other than being a bunga bunga ISIS type religious extremists who abandons technology and abandons competition. And it's just, no, I mean, they're, they're winning off of a completely different selection criteria, [00:15:00] but their children aren't going to be relevant to the future of our species.

The, the reward for being a competent, technologically engaged, economically engaged male with a lot of kids, For this generation is astronomically large, much bigger than like in our parents generation or something like that, where, you know, 60 percent were succeeding. But here I want to also talk about the desire because you hear this.

Oh, you know, there's not. I mean, everybody knows that there's people here. I shouldn't even say surely they're not to set up this. Everybody knows that there's women and feminists who have fantasized about a society without men. This is a persistent fantasy that individuals have. We even have this crazy guy who emails us all the time and he wants to create, he's like, oh, the way you fix this is to create, you know, these big sperm banks where you have celebrities and ultra wealthy and ultra high IQ men who are giving out sperm to most of the world's females.

And that's the way this ends up working out.

Simone Collins: You then just have female babies. [00:16:00]

Malcolm Collins: Yeah, they just have female babies, and it's preselected for only female babies. And I'm like,

Simone Collins: This is not a solution. But no, I mean, this is not just the one person's delusion. I think there's a lot of people who are just like, Oh, it's very similar to like, Well, the world would be better without humans.

Is very, to me, similar. To the world would be better without men. Well, you get this in

Malcolm Collins: Charlotte Perkin Gilman's book, Her Land, which was published in 1915 is a feminist utopia novel described as an isolated society composed entirely of women who reproduce through Parthia Genesis quote from the book, they had no kings and no priests.

And no aristocracies, they were sisters. And as they grew, they grew together, not by competition, but by United action.

Simone Collins: And we're going to have a sporty episode with the all female world. What, what is it they said to each other? Like when they greeted each other, it was like, how are you feeling? [00:17:00] Or like, I acknowledge the

Malcolm Collins: funny thing is, is it like we know, and we're going to do a separate episode on all female organizations and societies and why they always fail because they do.

Always fail. You know, they just like explode so quickly. It's hilarious. But we'll, we'll touch on that a bit here, but like, no, I mean, and people are like, what if women ruled the world? You know, there wouldn't be wars and like, actually, we can look at periods from medieval Europe when Queens were in power versus Kings and Queens had dramatically more wars than Kings.

Like, No, women are not more like benevolent as rulers, like even just like the UK's history, like Bloody Mary or something like that. Like they're not, they're not excluded from being genocidal maniacs. They're not included for, I know it's, it's crazy. Bloody Mary, by the way,

The worst! She's the worst person in the world. Huge skank. Terrible. What did I tell you, huh? The worst![00:18:00]

She's the worst in the world.

Simone Collins: If

Malcolm Collins: you study her history, like, her sister tried to after taking power, what, that Queen Elizabeth

was her sister?

Yes.

Tried to keep her alive, and was like, Hey, I can give you, like, a good life, you just can't come back to power, and she just kept f*****g trying to kill her. Despite all of the kindness that her sister showed her. Because, you know, her

Malcolm Collins: heart kept taking over her, her, her brain. But hold on.

We've also got the emoji Umoja village in Kenya founded in 1990. Umoja is a women only village created by some women who were outcasts from their communities. This village is like a safe space and I'm like, okay, this could maybe work if you have safe spaces for women who were like attacked or something like that.

Like, obviously they're not going to work for that many generations, but it could work. But then I was reading more on women's only communities where they like reject men as like a concept to try to create this. And I read one [00:19:00] where I was like, oh my God, oh my God, I need to learn what happened to this.

Okay. And I read some videos on Failed Women's, where it's spelled with like a W O M Y N, communities that have like fallen apart since their inception.

Simone Collins: Well, I mean, if they're called that.

Malcolm Collins: Well, yeah, these communities separated between the 1970s and 1980s across the United States and Canada where they wanted to create a mail free domain.

But then there was one that started more recently, and I could find a bunch of articles on it from 2016, and oh my god, I so want to know what happened to them. If we did like an investigative type podcast, I'd be so into this. If any of our fans can find out what happened to this group. Please, please, please send us because I'm interested.

So I'll quote from an article on them. It wasn't just, oh, here's a book. Let's pretend we're in the book. It's using the book as a design document. This is, they read the Her Society thing, that 1915 book. Says Cat White. She's a pioneer of Herland, a Facebook [00:20:00] group of over 5, 000 members interested in creating an eco commune in South America inspired by the Quote, land without hymns that Gilman described in May.

White is giving up her apartment in Fresno, California and headed south in the truck and camper. The group purchased after two years of saving, she says, once they reached South America by road and ferry, she will meet up with a handful of European Herlin pioneers. Their ultimate destination is somewhere in the jungle on the border of Guyana and Venezuela.

Oh, No Oh, this happened in 2016. I want to know what happened to this group. It is an area that is uninhabited, so we're not pushing anyone out. And it's warm enough so that we don't have to worry about freezing and those sorts of things. So it's a very friendly area for living. White says the Herlanders won't say exactly where it is, just that they've considered [00:21:00] agreements from the relevant government.

This is the area that Venezuela wants to attack right now, by the way, if you've been paying attention to this. White says once they arrive, they'll settle down and start building, making room for the 100 plus second wave Herlanders from around the world who will help. Quote, set an example for the world in general that it can be done, that people can get together and live in a, why didn't she just

Simone Collins: do this in Fresno?

Malcolm Collins: I don't think she had, why, why does she have to go to the jungles of, if she had competence, she'd have money. If she had money, she'd be able to do it somewhere that people wanted to be instead of the middle of the jungle. The, the

Simone Collins: amount of money you need to make this work in. The jungle outside Venezuela is a lot more than the money you would need to even Look, remember we've had these episodes where we talk about how really, unpaired single women are basically nuns to the state They're wards of the state.

It's very easy to live off social [00:22:00] services the social safety net, especially for Unpaired women in the u. s. Is pretty robust You could easily create some kind of You Very low income community in Fresno that becomes this weird autonomous zone. Here's what I

Malcolm Collins: think she thinks she's going to do. Okay.

Okay, so she thinks that they're going to like harvest for food in the forest because like her core thing was, well, I'm not going to freeze to death at night, right? Like that's what she cared about, right? Which to me shows she's planning on the barest subsistence of living.

Simone Collins: Okay. But you know, what about the, the maggots that lay eggs and the wounds that open up from her, you know, various bug bites that she gets.

This

Malcolm Collins: is why I want to see, I know that if I go find this settlement, it's just gonna be like a bunch of bleach bones in the, in the, the, the, the. No, it's, it's, I need to go on an archeological expedition

Simone Collins: to find No, because what happens is they show up there, they spend the night, and then they go to some [00:23:00] eco lodge.

And they just note out of there, you know, they. She, I don't, she had

Malcolm Collins: enough money even when she was planning to ride, drive down there with her camper.

Simone Collins: Mm.

And she, I wish her well, I, I do, I I don't want bad things to happen to people. Hold on. She was, was someone's daughter, you know, like,

Malcolm Collins: I mean, she seems like a bad person if she wants to do this. She doesn't want to hurt anyone. She doesn't want to coerce anyone. She considers harmony as being only possible without a group of people who is 50 percent of the world's population that has, let's be honest, made most of the world's inventions, economic opportunity.

Simone Collins: Yes, she's obviously misguided, but just because someone has The wrong information. I mean, we've had misguided beliefs, we've moderated. If

Malcolm Collins: you are prejudiced to this degree, you don't get to use misguided as an excuse. Just because our society has excused misandry [00:24:00] doesn't mean that misandry isn't pure evil.

But anyway, hold on, I'm not done, I'm not done. The idea of an eco feminist commune may sound radical, but it's actually nothing new. In the 1970s and 80s, separatist communities known as women's land, with that weird spelling, sprang up throughout the rural US and Canada, inspired, and also some By the women's liberation movie, also some cities.

Like I think some of the most successful ones were actually in like central Chicago or something. Because I've watched documentaries on them. They've all fallen apart now. As, as somebody pointed out, most of the women lands in the country either have no residents today or a single resident. The, the, one of the largest has five.

That's Subahama, S U B A M A H.

Simone Collins: Well, you know, every time the patriarch leaves. The compound of some FLDS. family. They become a woman's land. It's great. And they get along. The [00:25:00] sister wives, I'm sure. Well, not always, but often.

Malcolm Collins: No, no. The sister lives I've seen seem pretty b****y to each other. And there's even that one case of the man who like installed like, like receivers all over his house.

Yeah. They were all saying. Well, but he also

Simone Collins: used them to like sort of terrorize them and make them develop all sorts of paranoia against each other. So yeah, but anyway. Okay. But

Malcolm Collins: anyway key details of the original plan included the community was to be cashless and supported permaculture farming. Oh my God, permaculture farming in the jungle.

Do you know how hard that is? Do you know how small the topsoil is in the jungle? You could get one season, maybe.

Simone Collins: Yeah, that's more of a foraging situation. But.

Malcolm Collins: Men were not allowed, but transgender people were. Okay. Yeah, that's going to create some problems. And the exact location was kept secret. So I feel it's like a [00:26:00] great.

Quest I need to see set up. I love some of the words that they ended up using here when talking about the feminist communes. They said, according to commu to Cummings, when you're living in a feminist commune, quote unquote, freedom isn't necessarily the operative word. They say, I will say that having it be women only can be very challenging.

I struggle with how to limit my ability to have a male visitors here. She says it's a lot like being in a marriage, quite frankly. Wait,

hold on. Did you catch that? Okay. I struggle with how I have male visitors here. It's a bit like being in a marriage.

Simone Collins: Why would she have male visitors? I'm confused.

Malcolm Collins: No, no, no, no, no, no. Okay. Sexual visitors, people to have sex with her. Why?

Simone Collins: No, no, you don't get to have sex. With men if you're swearing off Ben,

Malcolm Collins: no, no, no, no.

But [00:27:00] hold on no by his elder. Clearly clearly, why else would you want males? Otherwise you could get whatever else you wanted from females.

Simone Collins: I've never met a female plumber and who else will build?

Malcolm Collins: What man hold on. And this is what you're missing in her statement. Okay. Clearly, she was somebody who's previously married.

What man complains that a male plumber comes to his house. Okay, she's, she's basically saying I have to sneak in men to perform this task that only men can perform for me, just like I had to when I was married.

Simone Collins: I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I can't understand.

Malcolm Collins: What?

I just, I don't know.

Simone Collins: This doesn't make any sense to me and I am confused, but yeah.

All right. We'll do another

Malcolm Collins: episode on all female companies because they are so hilarious. We can't go

Simone Collins: into it now. I'm so curious.

Malcolm Collins: Oh no, because it's a whole episode where some [00:28:00] women, whenever they try to like do all female things. In fact, I don't think I've, I've heard of a, and I'll look up for this, a single all female company settlement tribe in history that didn't was in like three years descend into all hitting each other and mass murdering the,

So I had to ask an AI to see if it could find any all-female companies that ever worked. And it did there for a bit, trying to give me companies that were led by women, but eventually admitted that while it had been tried a number of times, it had never functioned.

the, the,

Simone Collins: I think that there are weird ways in which functionally all female communities.

Thrive, but they work with men. We were talking in another episode about sword and shield relationships and talking about how, you know, if you're talking about Vikings or Spartans, there is this, you know, women are managing the local community. They are, yeah. But like these are [00:29:00] women who are doing all the things that a local village would do to function.

And they are fine without men. Well,

Malcolm Collins: one of the thing I, I, I point out here that I will give a bit of a highlight from this next episode is they were acting a drill sergeant about female versus male candidates.

Simone Collins: Mm.

Malcolm Collins: And one of the things that they noticed was that both men and women at take orders better from a man than a woman.

Oh, no. Women don't like to have another woman in charge of them. They don't see why another woman should be in charge of them. And then he says when they didn't explain it with men, but this is what you see broadly in the data as well. Women hate women bosses. Yeah, there's

Simone Collins: actually a really funny comedic short.

I'll see if I can dig it up. This like college comedy group that's just hilarious, where they have a class on like business writing as a woman or something. And it's just like you add an exclamation mark to everything so that you're non threatening. And it's just like, it's just There's something about, yeah, I, it's, it's horrible and yeah, being a [00:30:00] woman sometimes really sucks.

Someone who listens to this podcast has been writing to us about disturbing standards changing in the military and pointed out how standards for what women have to carry in, in terms of like running with weight. Have are significantly lower in the military than the standards for men. So like to pass with a perfect score, I think women only need to care, like carry something like but we'll just say like 260 pounds,

Malcolm Collins: different strengths because they're socialized differently, but the problem,

Simone Collins: no, the prop, the problem with this is that a man, like a male soldier with his full body armor and backpack would weigh like.

Weigh over this amount. So women are getting essentially passing scores in the military and they are not physically able to carry one of their colleagues in an emergency which is just really disturbing.

Malcolm Collins: There was the fires in California recently. One of the heads of the fire department, she's like the assistant director or [00:31:00] something.

And she's a woman and she goes, sometimes I get asked questions like, Could you carry a man out of a burning building? And all I have to say is what's a man doing in a burning building? Clearly he's made bad choices. What is wrong with you?

Yeah, that one's that was good

at the keeper. No, I mean, this whole DEI thing is getting people killed at this point.

Like we need to burn this down and understand that women don't want women bosses. Okay. No, I actually would go so far is to say if there is pay equality in a society, something is wrong with that society

Simone Collins: because

Malcolm Collins: women do not want the types of jobs that earn more. Women do not want to work for women who are their managers.

This is clear in the data.

Simone Collins: I don't know though. Yeah, well, how do you reconcile this with societies that are less gender egalitarian and yet [00:32:00] you see more women going into STEM jobs, for example. What's, what's your answer to that?

Malcolm Collins: Well, that's the point, but why are these women going into STEM jobs? The more gender egalitarian, the more choices you give women, the more they choose subservient roles, the more they choose womanly roles.

When you remove choices for women, and men can use them like personal slaves, then they put them in positions where they can earn the most money. Mm-hmm . Ironically, gender egalitarianism, letting women do what they want. Leads to women choosing lives of service rather than lives of dominance, not striving for more money constantly because that's not what women are really built to do or find satisfaction.

Yeah. Back

Simone Collins: to that theme that we talked about in another conversation where women have been raised to normalize around very masculine life goals. When that may not actually be what derives the most happiness

Malcolm Collins: Through all of human history is like in like an omega verse universe or [00:33:00] something. You had alphas only writing our books and our literatures and our music and our plays very few women historically contributed to culture and there's some like mary shelley or whatever, you know, but they're rare and so when women Achieved sort of freedom or a degree of equality, they queued to what they wanted from their lives for what was in the media that they had access to growing up what was in the Western canon, and that had all been optimized around what men want from men's lives.

And so they would do all this stuff and they would be unhappy. This is. Fundamentally, why, if you look at the great article, the paradox of women's happiness, the more freedom women achieve in a society, the less fulfilled and happy they are. As we have seen declining rates of women's happiness, women used to be happier than men on average when they were stuck as housewives.

Really? Yeah. These are seventies. Yeah. It was always women were happier. Men were less happy. But as women achieved freedom, it has flipped. And now men are much more happy than women. Yeah.

Simone Collins: [00:34:00] I, oh, I want to see these stats. That's so differentiator

Malcolm Collins: has increased over time, yeah.

Simone Collins: Gosh, that sucks.

Malcolm Collins: Love you to death, Simone.

You are the best wife any man could ever ask for, and I hope you feel fulfilled with this role. Because You sound

Simone Collins: so HR. I hope you're feeling

Malcolm Collins: this way. If you're not, I can work on a severance

package. Would you like to give me anonymous feedback through this form? Please press 5 if, if so.

Simone Collins: Oh my god, Malcolm, I love you so much.

You're perfect. You inspire me. You, you, our kids love you. You're fun. You're the spark. You bring the spark into our lives. No, you're the best. Woman. And I'm, I don't know, I just, you're the best. It's sad that a lot of guys don't, don't get to experience what you're experiencing, you know, like the family life, the having kids.

[00:35:00] Yeah, we

Malcolm Collins: got an option for these guys. Look, if you're like, look, I want my genes to be part of the future, even though like almost all guys wash out, like it's really hard. We are building a system where if you want to put the pragmatist foundation, that's the foundation that runs like RDA everything like that, and the future we have planned for our civilization.

In your will, we will also take full genome sequence of you, if you send that to us, and put it in sort of the founding formation of whatever we end up creating as a society. So if we're successful, maybe one day in the distant future, people will be using that, either to create humans or to create people in AI environments or to create whatever, whatever use it may have, like, I can't promise.

I'm not like, Oh, give us money. And then one day I'm not saying give us all your money. I'm not saying like everything in your will. I'm not saying donate everything. I'm just saying, if you're a donor and you want your thing on file, it will be attached along with how much you donated, who you are, what you did, you know, you let us know.

And I am happy to include that for future generations because I can [00:36:00] think, like, if I had not won this particular game and I saw a couple that did, but I was like, look, but realistically, I just didn't win the genetic lottery, or I happen to be same sex attracted, or I, you know, You know, what, what do I do?

This would be a potential interesting outlet for me. So if you're interested in that reach out to us because we've got to make sure that we have everything right in the way, like the will is structured and the way all that is structured. But otherwise I'd love that. Because I'm like, Hey, that's also a way for me to get back to the people who aren't participating in the very few who have broken through at this point in history.

Well, so

Simone Collins: there, there are many ways to live a really meaningful life. And. There are plenty of childless men who have had more of an impact on the course of humanity than Men with children. It's just harder. So I think no matter what

Malcolm Collins: i'm gonna be honest I I can think of some childless women who have had a big impact on history But it's actually fairly rare for childless men

Simone Collins: As writers, [00:37:00] as people who've influenced culture?

Malcolm Collins: Oh, like if they're gay or something, yeah, sure, that, that happens. Sorry, that's the thing, like, if you are a successful person as a man and you don't become sexist successful after death, you're likely going to be genetically successful as well. Like women, there's not like famous straight writers who don't have like partners who they've knocked up. Sorry, what's that face?

Simone Collins: A little harsh, a little harsh, but

Malcolm Collins: The world is harsh! Okay, what am I doing for dinner tonight? We're reheating yesterday's, Yeah, we're

Simone Collins: trying out air frying the whatever, like Szechuan chicken. I'm

Malcolm Collins: wondering what the restaurant is putting in it because it has a lot more flavor when the restaurant serves it and I don't know what's causing it.

Simone Collins: I'll try. I actually didn't put msg in it because I wanted to see what you thought of it like it was. So

Malcolm Collins: it tastes very tasteless.

Simone Collins: Okay. What do you want me to do with

Malcolm Collins: it? Your move? [00:38:00] Well, my move. I'm going to research.

Simone Collins: Are you doing that right now?

Malcolm Collins: I'm going to do it. Yeah, I'm going to do it like right after this is over before I go down.

Simone Collins: You let me know. I love you too. Hey, if you have used IVF and it was within the past four years and you used some form of PGTA, like you had your embryos biopsied and sent off to a company, you might qualify for a really cool study that is being conducted by a fellow Basecamp person and person that we are working with through heartia.

org. You can get also if you qualify $100 as a participant and free vouchers for whole genome sequencing for your family, which is really cool. So if you feel like you might qualify here, you can email ellan@minevagenomics.com. That's ELAN. And if you have any questions first, you can email us at Partners at Pride Foundation.[00:39:00]

Also, natalcon, it's happening this March in Austin. We'd love to see you there. We're definitely going to organize some kind of base camp meetup. In addition to the conference we won't be there the whole time. So consider going, you can get 10 percent off your registration by entering the code Collins at checkout.

And we would really like to see you there.

Malcolm Collins: How'd you mess that up? Did you think you'd sent the link? I sent it

Simone Collins: to my dad because I'm so smart and capable. I can function. Sometimes I can even breathe successfully. Like 80 percent of the time. TikTok

Malcolm Collins: thing is crazy right now that Trump's keeping TikTok alive and all these communists were like the U S government's evil.

You can't trust any politician. And it's like, Hey, Trump's got your back, buddy. Yeah. Yeah, no, I am just thrilled for that. Come on, come on. This is crazy, crazy timeline to be in.

Simone Collins: Yeah, I mean, I think it's more [00:40:00] like there's this sword of Damocles hanging over TikTok. And as soon as China or Tick Tock does something to piss him off, then Shazam, it's gone.

I just love like, why it would be illogical for him to not maintain this optionality.

Malcolm Collins: It would be crazy for immediate, totally in his control utility against China. Yeah. He has this immediate, like, or let's

Simone Collins: just say he wants to control the media cycle. You know, like there's a little bit, you know, people are really rumbling about his, You know, him getting something done that he really needs to get done, but it's unpopular.

Oh, guess what? I'm also going to do ban tick tock, bury the story done. Like bargaining chip. I think, you know, it would be insane for him to not do what he's doing.

Malcolm Collins: But he does have to eventually drop that sword because what we are learning now is they are refusing to sell. Like they have buyers.

They're refusing to sell. The only reason you'd refuse to sell is. If the new buyers are going to find out that, yes, you were working with the CCP, feeding lots of information to them and trying to [00:41:00] brainwash America's youth. Like that's the only reason not to sell. Like, why else would you not sell?

That makes no sense. And they did the same thing in India when India passes, because they refused to sell. Which to me shows, like, I don't like that people are having their, like, livelihoods destroyed by this and all of the content creators like us, like if we had built up a big following there, it would be terrible.

But Like it's obvious the CC, and it's not like it's, it's like a new thing. Like anyone who built a platform, they're built it knowing they were building it on CCC spyware. This is, this is a No, always! My impression was, TikTok

Simone Collins: on my phone, I now have a hot mic. At all times.

Malcolm Collins: No, but I mean, I love when the progressives are like, China's not as bad, I'm like, you do know they're in the middle of a genocide, right? I

Simone Collins: mean, you know. Speaking of genocide. Speaking of

Malcolm Collins: genocide, let's talk about the male genocide. So I'm gonna get started, okay Simone?

Simone Collins: Yeah.

Are you going to help me clean the table with that lime juice, Toasty? [00:42:00] Toasty and Tyson are building cleaning solution for our table by squeezing out the limes. Can I do it too? You can. Squeeze, squeeze. It's taking so long. Squeeze. Can I do it too, Mommy? Yeah,

you want to try? Yeah. All right. I'll get you a squeezer. All right.

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