i think things even fernica, like they emerged almost organically and are themselves the result of this other kind of sickness. I mean, it has to be, right, because we act as if it's this distinction, almost like a scientific distinction, between someone who's insane and somebody who's not. And so where you put that line has to be influenced by all these factors. Now, whether it's like people in a room desite, like it's not like some conspiracy, i don't think.

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