The challenge is to connect what's computationally possible out in the computational universe with things that we humans typically think about with our minds. The big sort of idea there is this idea of kind of symbolic programming symbolic representations of things. How do you take how do you encapsulate the kinds of things that we think about in a way that kind of plugs into what's Computationally Possible? And so I was trying to build my first computer system back in 1979 or so but it has been going as well as it did at the time.

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