Barry McCarthy and the Potential of a Turn Around?

There is good success so far, but that's exactly it. There a kind of user base to people who are extremely pluck, price sensitive. So there is a certain cohort of users who may be willing to try that out. But as as i said, like the broader ship, the cargo ship that bally mc carthy talks about in the letter, it's very slow to turn round. And still, we are not seeing that from the outside, the effort that they are putting in.