Hans Madueme is a Young-Earth Creationist. In this conversation, the goal was not to come to an agreement about the age of the earth but instead to understand one another better, find common ground, and explore the points of disagreement with curiosity and friendliness. Hans explains his views of where the Bible has a clear message and where he sees the limits of science in explaining things that contradict those messages.

Theme song and credits music by Breakmaster Cylinder. Other music in this episode by Titan Sound  courtesy of Shutterstock, Inc.