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This show exists entirely because some of you guys decide to support it. If you're at your computer, pause the podcast, go and maximum phone dot org, click on donate and have a look. Your donation will come out every month until you cancel your subscription or change your credit card. Now back to our interview with alice bates from the u.K Livestock market association. The body's new campaign ames to warn people about the various fraudulent activities that can happen at a bull market. But also makes clear that sometimes one can turn these problems to their advantage.