I know you've had really a long history in development. It began in Kenya where I was a member of what was then called Her Majesty's Overseas Civil Service, which was the old colonial service. And I went on working in Kenya through independence and working at the Kenya Institute of Administration training Kenyans to take over the administration. That's how I got into it. So RRA was putting together and sharing the various methods that we were using. We once sensed that we were doing something sensible. You've got idea when people who are heretics in their own organizations all meet together and find that there are heretic in other organizations, which have exactly the same problems. It becomes

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