Love of Learning Without Literacy and Numeracy

"I feel like my response is more like it should be both end, because love of learning without literacy and numeracy is going to give people this point from lash," he says. "That's just a much, like, that's a very hard problem to even figure out how to solve at an individual level, let alone a social one." He adds: "Of course, they've got to learn how to read, right? But the question is whether or not teaching to these tests is the best way to do it"