Do you think that by 2060, if we've peaked out on top of the roller coaster, do you think this progress is inextricably linked to population growth and population density? Do you think we might be looking at regression? There's a movement, the de-growth movement. So these are people who basically the troubles of the world, in particularly climate, when coming from our addiction to growth. It's finite. We can't continue to grow. And we have to de-growth, stop growing. But yes, I am optimistic that we can change our understanding of what we're doing - it's not inevitable though. Time machine's coming up. Yeah. No,

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