I think we see this one time, very naturalized, normalized by partisan politics behind nea liberalism and mass incarceration. But i that were not at really a full crisis point, but instead some sort of really long, some really long running interregnum where it seems like everyone has lost faith. I wonder right to for whom, for whom has there been legitimacy, and for whom has it entered into crisis? And whether instead that crisis is experienced by people who never necessarily felt themselves to be the people whom the state was interpote as citizens.