Ep 460: Interview with Gary Zukav
The Jim Fortin Podcast
How to Tell Who Has New Consciousness
Gary offers a simple test: whether someone recognizes themselves as more than body and mind.
In this profound and far-reaching conversation, Jim Fortin sits down with Gary Zukav, author of The Seat of the Soul, to explore what he calls an unprecedented shift in human consciousness. Gary explains that humanity is moving beyond a five-sensory, fear-based way of living into a multisensory awareness rooted in love, responsibility, and authentic power. This transformation, he says, is not a future possibility—it is happening now, within each individual.
The discussion dives deeply into what authentic power truly means: the alignment of personality with soul. Gary contrasts external power—control, manipulation, and fear—with authentic power, which comes from emotional awareness and conscious choice. He offers practical guidance on how to recognize frightened versus loving parts of the personality and how everyday emotional experiences are actually gateways to spiritual growth and personal evolution.
If you’ve ever wondered how inner change can affect the world, how to move beyond fear, or how to live with greater meaning and integrity during uncertain times, this episode offers both clarity and direction.
What You’ll Discover in This Episode:
(02:58) The New Human Consciousness
Why humanity is undergoing a rapid, historic shift from five-sensory awareness to multisensory perception.
(04:20) External Power vs. Authentic Power
How control and manipulation differ from soul-aligned power—and why the old model no longer works.
(13:57) Love and Fear as Choice Points
How every moment presents a decision between fear-based reactions and love-based responses.
(18:59) Emotional Awareness as a Tool
How physical sensations in the body reveal frightened or loving parts of your personality.
(41:59) Temptation and Conscious Choice
Why temptation is a spiritual gift and how it serves as a rehearsal for growth—or karma.
(51:30) Creating Change from the Inside Out
Why transforming yourself is the only way meaningful change happens in the world.
Listen, apply, and enjoy!
Transformational Takeaway
True transformation doesn’t come from fixing the world outside of you—it begins by turning inward. As Gary Zukav reminds us, the frightened parts of your personality are not obstacles, but doorways to deeper awareness, compassion, and authentic power. When you learn to recognize fear, choose love, and act from alignment with your soul, you step into a life guided not by reaction, but by conscious creation.
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