Shatakari: I came to business school from a perspective of, you know, for me, it was pure utilitarian. It was the shortest fast route with legitimacy in the US job market for a English teacher in Taiwan that wanted to work in the tech industry. He says he grew up reading about tech constantly and sort of the tech culture is like, oh, MBAs are worthless. "I really believe in this direction thing and I followed Apple super closely," Shatakari says.