I was not surprised at all by this. Like, there was something deeply just weird about him in general and especially about all the kids that would come to Neverland or wherever. I think for the most part, take John Cyril, who has pretty serious accusations against him. But his paper in a Chinese room is accessible, it's brilliant, it's important. And I wouldn't hesitate to present it. Well, that's actually, that's why I think the Cyril Chinese room paper, I think is a good contribution to what we know.

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