James, thank you so much for that conversation. What role do you think your book could play? I guess either it maybe catamising those conversations or in influencing them. Who would you love to see read it and star talking about it? I think the big thing this is back to hope. I think, o think things can be different. And we have been through this before. We've been through something similar, if not, if not tougher, before em e, times of great, great change,. But as yo said, meant many reasons for hope too.
James Plunkett's new book, End State: 9 Ways Society is Broken, draws on his years working in both public policy and at the top tiers of government. A former advisor to UK prime minister Gordon Brown, his book looks at how to reboot some key ideas ranging from commerce to healthcare for a nation such as the UK in order to provide better quality of life for larger sections of society. James joins urbanist, transport and tech specialist Kat Hanna to talk about the book.
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