The Evolution of APIs and LLM Integration

This week, Robbie and Chuck talk with David Cramer about MCP—microservices for language models—and why it might be the future of AI tooling. They dig into the state of AI agents, developer efficiency, and why Codegen isn’t killing jobs anytime soon.

In this episode:

• (00:00) - Intro
• (02:47) - Whiskey review and rating
• (17:12) - Hot Take: Syntax.fm vs Whiskey Web and Whatnot?
• (18:06) - Hot Take: Rails vs Laravel
• (20:27) - Hot Take: Taco Bell vs Del Taco
• (22:36) - What exactly is "MCP"?
• (29:55) - Can you leverage AI to build SaaS for you?
• (38:21) - React Miami
• (40:27) - Rum and snacks
• (47:12) - Chuck is moving to Italy
• (50:18) - David's Sim racing rig
• (54:33) - Plugs

Links

• Woodford Reserve Double Double Oaked: https://www.woodfordreserve.com/whiskey/double-double-oaked/
• Jack Daniels Single Barrel Rye: https://www.jackdaniels.com/en-us/whiskey/single-barrel-rye
• High West: https://highwest.com/
• Norlan: https://norlanglass.com/
• Syntax: https://syntax.fm
• Sentry: https://sentry.io
• Rails: https://rubyonrails.org/
• Tailwind CSS: https://tailwindcss.com/
• Typescript: https://www.typescriptlang.org/
• Laravel: https://laravel.com/
• Python: https://www.python.org/
• DHH: https://x.com/dhh/
• Laracon: https://laracon.us/
• 37signals: https://37signals.com/
• Taco Bell: https://www.tacobell.com/
• Del Taco: https://deltaco.com/
• Chick-fil-A: https://www.chick-fil-a.com/
• In-N-Out: https://www.in-n-out.com/
• React Miami: https://www.reactmiami.com/
• Aaron Francis: https://x.com/aarondfrancis
• Cursor: https://www.cursor.com/
• Codegen: https://codegen.com/
• Figma: https://www.figma.com/
• Assassin's Creed: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassin%27s_Creed
• Tesla: https://www.tesla.com/
• Dax: https://x.com/thdxr/
• Guillermo Rauch: https://x.com/rauchg
• Eve 6: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eve_6
• Payload: https://payloadcms.com/
• Chris Hemsworth: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Hemsworth
• NVidia: https://www.nvidia.com/
• Porsche: porsche.com

Connect with David

• Website: https://cra.mr/
• X / Twitter: https://x.com/zeeg

Connect with Chuck and Robbie

• Robbie Wagner: https://x.com/RobbieTheWagner
• Chuck Carpenter: https://x.com/CharlesWthe3rd

Subscribe and stay in touch

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