I felt like the American consumer would be the ultimate judge of merit, that they wouldn't really care necessarily, who made the product. And so i was really motivated around ontrapener ship as a way to create the world i wanted to live in and create the products i wanted to see. I mean, it's got to be nice being private, but having investors involed, right? But, i mean, is is the ultimate goal to be a public company?

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