Rupert Murdoch is a maverick, backs himself. He once said to me that he'd gone against his gut instinct three times each time and it'd gone wrong. That's a powerful way to be able to be in the world in his position. And then I defected to the Daily Mirror at nearly 10 great years there,. Then got fired in pretty big circumstances, the Iraq photos scandal as some people put it. Simon Cowell took me out over here, actually, the Belvedere in Holland Park. Show went to number one. The first series of Celebrity Apprentice with Donald Trump was how I got to know Trump.