When did you leave that job? Was there a point where you said, ok, now i can make this transition. Yes. I'd just got married to a journalist that i met in my ohio state programme. So we ended up getting married and moving to chicago, where i was going to do this phd. That's when i started applying for a job at a magazine somewhere,. Just a try and kind of return to journalism. And fortunately, i i got a at science. Ah, so that's what brought me to washington, d c. And then at science is really where i kind of started doing science writing even more seriously than i had been earlier.

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