Leadership: Rule 13 and Rule 14

Today, Jay sits down with Tony Robbins, world-renowned life and business strategist, bestselling author, and one of the most influential voices in personal development, for a conversation that goes far beyond motivation and into the mechanics of real change. Together, they explore why so many people feel stuck in their lives, emotionally, professionally, and spiritually and how that feeling is often rooted not in lack of ability, but in delayed or avoided decisions.

Jay and Tony challenge modern ideas around comfort, self-care, and success. Tony shares why growth, not ease, is the true source of confidence and fulfillment, and why discipline and commitment build self-trust in ways comfort never can. Jay guides the discussion toward the balance between the science of achievement and the art of fulfillment, showing how success without meaning can feel empty, while meaning without action can leave people frustrated and stuck. Through practical frameworks, real-life stories, and honest reflection, the episode reframes discomfort as a necessary part of becoming who you’re meant to be.

Together they explore how purpose evolves over time, why contribution gives life its deepest meaning, and how fulfillment comes from growing and giving, not just achieving.

In this interview, you'll learn:

How to Stop Feeling Stuck by Making One Clear Decision

How to Build Confidence Through Difficult Choices

How to Create Clarity Without Waiting for Certainty

How to Grow Instead of Chasing Comfort

How to Strengthen Self-Trust Through Discipline

How to Design a Life That Keeps You Growing

If you’re feeling uncertain, overwhelmed, or stuck right now, let this be a reminder that nothing has gone wrong. You don’t need to have everything figured out to move forward. You only need the courage to take the next step, even if it feels uncomfortable.

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With Love and Gratitude,

Jay Shetty

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What We Discuss:

00:00 Intro

02:10 Make Decisions To Feel Unstuck

04'47 The Ability To See Beyond Your Present Moment

08:00 The Trial & Error Method Of Decision Making

10:50 Start With Small Decisions To Gain Momentum

11:50 Decision Making Isn't A One-step Process

13:33 Decision Vs Commitment

17:31 Decision Making Is A Continual Process

21:10 6 Steps To Help You Make Important Decisions

25:57 Tony Robbins On Spirituality & Manifestation

29:45 Philosophy Vs Strategy

31:31 The Science Of Achievement

33:13 The Art Of Fulfillment

36:47 Success Without Fulfillment

38:38 The Statistics On Mental Health For Gen Z

40:40 Fulfillment Looks Different For Everyone

43:13 Comfort Comes From Fulfillment

46:02 Self Esteem Development Depends On You

47:55 Differences Between Growth & Hustle

49:30 You Can Have Multiple Purposes In Life

51:08 Tony Robbins On Being A Dad In His 20s & 60s

01:03:06 Would Life Matter If We Had Everything?

01:05:07 Time To Rise Summit

01:07:51 Tony Robbins On God & Relationship

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