"I think you just need to try things. If you would have asked me about any of the stuff that I'm most passionate about, when I first tried it, I couldn't imagine being as passionate about as I am now," he said. "You're either someone who's an artist or you're not. The craft doesn't fucking matter." He added: "For a long time, I embodied a very toxic version of it, but I wasn't aware of it".

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