Oh, I've seen a clip of it, yeah.

You've probably seen the one where they're talking about.

Two of the most insufferable people in public life.

Well, it's a communist and a war criminal discussing disinformation where the war criminal took us to a war based on lies. Yes, yeah, absolutely. And caused just 100,000 people. And that is somebody who should be a champion of what uh disinformation is no thank you yeah

yeah well exactly um and i think that that was also demonstrated in this example of you know if you call a politician a liar whose career collapsed because of lies that he had told and yet using that power you were able to actually punish the person who's calling you the liar when that happened we see that in the reports time and time again. So, yeah. We're going to get flagged

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