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Metascience 101 - EP7: “Science and Political Legitimacy"

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Political Polarization and Science Funding

This chapter delves into the impact of political polarization on the credibility and funding of scientific institutions, particularly focusing on the NIH. It discusses the historical shift in scientists' partisan affiliations and how this shift affects public perceptions and the effectiveness of funding strategies. The chapter highlights the intricate relationship between major funding bodies and the scientific community, advocating for a diversified funding portfolio to better support innovative research.

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Speaker 2
I've even been accused by a friend that I've made it up
Speaker 1
just to stalk you. Look me in the eye. Is that true?
Speaker 2
It is not true. Honestly my friends have turned against me on this. Even my daughter saying, come on. I think everybody's bored of you now.
Speaker 1
Well, yeah, you are hogging airtime, to be honest. But I believe you. I'm sorry to hear you're losing friends over this. I
Speaker 2
am.
Speaker 1
Should we try and wrap this thing?
Speaker 2
I hope so. I really, I'm, honestly, my stomach is in turmoil. Alright, let's
Speaker 1
do it. 20 years you've been trying to identify this song. Our officers have been working round the clock on your case, trying to get this suspect song from the evidence you gave us, which was brief. But what were the words that you do know from the song?
Speaker 2
I can't wait to get home tonight to dream about you.
Speaker 1
No, to bed tonight. Bed, just to
Speaker 2
bed. Don't get it
Speaker 1
wrong. Right, right. No, see, that makes me think you're making it up now. No,
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no. Ha, ha, ha, ha. Right, what are the words? I can't wait to get to bed tonight to dream about you.
Speaker 1
Right. So, let's quickly recap the songs we have discounted from the inquiries. Loads of tracks have been ruled out. Dan Hartman, I can dream about you. The chorale, dreaming of you. The pretenders I go to sleep. Texas, featuring Peter Kay, sleep. Hobson's Bay Coast Guard with Love Song, Boysterman Dreams, and Dr Feel Good. I'm a hog for you, baby. It's not any of those, is it? It isn't. No,
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definitely not. Casey, I've got the last Bachelor of
Speaker 1
Songs for you here that it could be, all right? OK, I'm waiting. Oh, I'm nervous now. I know. PC's Jill In Brighton, Paul in Ulster and Keeley on email. Is it this? What is the scene I could be? I thought we wanted to tell you, talk to everyone to them. Jimmy went to then to hill their hand. The garden filled us by. This is from 2004. It could fit in your 20-year time frame. It's an artist called Alan Boyd, and this track is called, I Can't Wait to Fall asleep tonight. Casey, is this the one? No,
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it's not that.
Speaker 1
No time for disappointment. We move on. Our last bit of evidence is here for the time being on this case. You did give us a little steer in this direction on Monday. You said it sounded a bit hauling out, see. Yep. So that is exactly where we've been focusing this investigation. So, do you remember the Dan Hartman track that so many people thought it might be? Yep,
Speaker 2
and that's in my head now as well. This
Speaker 1
one. Now we've said no to this. Turns out this song was originally written for hauling notes, and they did eventually do a cover of it. Here it is. I can read the
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value you've
Speaker 1
got to be a future tonight. I can read my value. Is it just this? Scott.
Speaker 2
What? It's not. It's
Speaker 1
so sad, isn't it? But what if I have one more suggestion? Oh,
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go on. Please. Okay.
Speaker 1
Come on.
Speaker 2
Come on. We can do it. On
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a hauling notes tip, this one came in from loads of the force, including Nicola, Katie and Worcester, Nick from Teddington, Martin, Dave and Sharon. There's no comment there that might be a man called Martin Dave or two people called Martin and Dave. But Martin Dave, thanks very much if you're one person, Martin and Dave, cheers of it too. Are you ready?
Speaker 2
I'm ready. I'm
Speaker 1
ready. Sick.
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Keep in take your breath.
Speaker 1
This is a song called, had I known you better than? Listen. We never saw a love we couldn't wait to get to sleep in the dream.
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About the one you wish was there inside you. In the past few days I've grown up. Yeah? Yeah? Yeah. No. No. Oh, Scott, I am
Speaker 1
really, really sorry. Sorry, I'm just taking a moment here. Yeah. I don't know
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what to do now. Oh, God.
Speaker 1
The team had just told me in my ear, they've
Speaker 2
got one more bet.
Speaker 1
I've just been happy. I've just been handed this information. OK? OK. Thank you. This is from D.I. Carol Dunn from Glasgow. She says, no crime is too difficult for your police force to solve, and I'm gutted that we can't solve this one. I think we can't find the missing song because the client is maybe mixing up lyrics over a couple of songs. Would it be this album she is thinking of? If she was shown a picture of the album cover, would that maybe jolt her memory? She did say, Womack and Womack and Rose Royce were on the album she's thinking of. We cannot leave this crime unsolved. Love you, bye. D.I. Carol Dunn. Maybe her name's Die. No, I think it's D.I. I
Speaker 2
never saw the album because it was on the tape unless he recorded it off an album onto a tape for me. Oh, God. You
Speaker 1
thought it was bespoke for you, didn't you? What if it's just a compilation album? What if he's just ripped off now 21 or whatever? Well, now eight.
Speaker 2
OK.
Speaker 1
So in front of me here, I've got a compilation album called Modern Love, and it was released in 1985 by K-Tel. Brilliant. I don't know if anyone else remembers these albums. I used to have a few as a kid. And often they'd only have half a song on there, and then they'd just fade out to get loads more on. Because you'd hear it on the radio and then you'd get the album and be like, where's the rest of the song gone? I've got enough time for it. I've got to fit more on. On this album is Tina Turner, What's Love Got To Do With It? Eugene Wild got to get you home with me tonight. Imagination, thank you, my love. Chic, I want your love. Quincy Jones just once, one I can wear my love was, Jeffrey Osborne on the Wings of Love, and Thelma Houston, you used to hold me something, the, the, you used to hold me something, the words go off the page. Is that the compilation that he said was a mixed tape for you?
Speaker 2
Definitely wasn't, there was no Tina Turner on it. No. All right.
Speaker 1
Hey, see, I'm off for a bit now. So, shall we all just have a little bit of space away from this and come back to it?
Speaker 2
I think so, yes. I will, I will keep digging as well. All right. This is
Speaker 1
very unusual for us. Normally by now, while we two weeks in, we would have found it somebody, even if it was just one person, would have found the song. And we haven't, keep in touch with me, and I suggest we all approach this with fresh ears when I'm back. Radio, radio, radio, radio, radio, radio, radio, radio, radio, radio, radio, radio, radio, radio, radio. Our share, what's in my loft if you share yours, see 90 tapes really made me laugh, says 717. I've got a seven inch single by drum theatre called Living in the Past upstairs. Anything else you found in your loft? And you were like, wow, where's that come from? You forgot about it completely. Shall I play you one of my tapes? OK. This is from, I'm going to say, Bobbie. Bobbie hi, I want to say 2003 for okay, this is you Yep, okay
Speaker 2
I mean
Speaker 1
This is almost as exciting as the Britney demo is it not? Excellent Karen in Hong Kong is usually wake up call facility on radio one online for the first time She wants anything a bit trancy. She's in Hong Kong. It's lunchtime listening online just about to go to the beach But waiting for phone calls to confirm Hate you Just playing a little weekend in Brighton with groove on my door on the beach this weekend that because we win it Right Karen you want to some dark music so here it is Raven maze real life and radio one And I was going to anyway, but I'm off to the tip after the show Oh We've got an error 503 on the text messages the services unavailable Keep text again 88 291 we will get some eventually I can't promise I'll read it out because at the moment I've got an error 503 Before the texts disappeared again Had this from Tash in commentary who says forget the Britney tapes we need more of your tapes I Can't bear this but the team want more what did you say? Right, it's not just me. I've got one of me other favorite DJs in 2003 and still now Sarah Cox she is not gonna like this at all You know, I love you Sarah. You know, you know, I do but you are on mid tapes in the loft All right play it then Yesterday Zoe was singing along and enjoying that reef record immensely Hands up which makes you want to what? What happened next Wow, okay, I don't know where I got that little All breach thing from bits yeah of its time Sarah you're on my tapes
Speaker 2
Congratulations to Daniel Benny Fieldies the UK's number one. Yes Never gonna leave your side Imagine him singing with them full mouth That's a bit of chewed up Snickers when it hits those high notes right
Speaker 1
stop that as well Please because I didn't enjoy it and Sarah will not also enjoy it, but there we go 2003 it's almost like life's gone completely full circle there me talking about Zobe ball then playing Sarah Cox and Sophie alis back to being in the chat The Tasha burning field how lovely to see you it's been quite some time. Yeah, lovely to see you Scott Okay, how long has it been? Probably has been 20 years. I think 20 years Isn't it weird though you wait ages for a bedding field and then to turn up at once you get a bonus? I saw your brother the other day. Yeah, I saw it actually yeah Yeah, and now I've completed the bedding field duo I mean 20 years ago. I would see you both a lot I'm not seen either of you for such a long time. I know well just life and things happen every 20 years maybe Yeah, it's like Pokemon cards. I've got you both now locusts. I've collected you both Are there any more bedding fields that I can snap up. Yeah, there's Josh. He's he's the he's the best one He's the youngest. He's the best one My sister is no well Nicola Nicola and Josh that they're also songwriters and singers, so which is I don't know what my Parents were like what their secret is but what a talented family Trevor Noah on the Grammys He was asked he was talking to Billy Eilish's parents. He was saying you should have had more kids right see that yes Yeah, you've got the formula and I thought yeah, my parents your parents have the formula yeah for sure Yeah, whatever that is. Have you ever all performed together at home? Let's say at Christmas Not no not really but we did sing a lot growing up and Daniels my older brother He really trained me on how to sing like and I'm really I'm very in tune Always and it's because he was really very strong on like he would let me know if it wasn't so Daniel taught you to sing Yeah, he was like he was really a child star like he was really like Michael Jackson as a child and And then I just I just
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like
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copied everything we did like every every younger sibling Yeah, I can't believe it unwritten is 20 years old this year Doesn't sound it though. Does it? I don't know like you think it would be a hit if it was put out today. I don't know like that I guess that is a test of a song I just think you can hear some music from that long ago and No disrespect, but it hasn't aged as well as this song has. Oh, thank you. Yeah, that's very nice And it's back in the charts. Yes Isn't it mad all these songs which young people are discovering like well, this is a good one Yeah, we know it's called unwritten or murder on the dance floor another perfect example Yeah, she's my friend. So I'm so happy Sophie Ellis Bexter. Yeah, and then the songwriter who wrote it Greg Alexander He's he was in a band called new radicals with Daniel Breeze boy who I wrote unwritten with Can you believe it? Yeah, well hang with us very connected. That's blowing my mind. So hang on Greg Alexander wrote He wrote murder on the dance floor. I didn't know that So what's that song called the new radical song you get what you get? Yeah, so however That's okay. Wait, you only got what you give up Yeah, you got the music in you. Yeah So he so Daniel was in his band and then she wrote unwritten with me So there is like some degrees of not very much separation not many many degrees. Yeah, it's cool. Let's play unwritten It's radio too Someone else can speak the words on your lips Change yourself in words on spoken Live your life with us wide open Today is where your book begins The rest is still unwritten Ready to do Natasha bedding field is here. Hello. Hello When Daniel was here a couple of weeks ago, he said that the two of you have been working together Let me play you what he said I would love a duet between you and her Oh dear. No Oh dear The thing is right. So there's the singing mode and creative mode and then there's your family Yeah, and it's I think we did one session together and it's so Hard to figure out how to work with your own family. It just puts me in a different headspace Right. We've never done it. No, we've been thinking about it this year I think we figured out how to do it. We might actually do it this year That would be great. Yeah, but it'd be more I don't know if it's a duet His first reaction. Oh dear. Oh dear Well, I think it's why we're friends because we don't work together I think if we did it might be difficult because we have very different kind of way of writing Right And I really idolize him. So it's kind of like that I think the thing is that when you write with someone you have to really be On equal thing. Yeah, yeah, I don't know. We've tried but like my songs are all kind of metaphors And he's very like Like conversational. So it's just a it's it's very and he doesn't actually do co-writing very much So no new music from the he writes and produces all his own songs. Yeah, I love co-writing So we're not gonna get a Daniel and Natasha song, are we? I don't know Um, are you working on some new music yourself? Yes. Yeah, I've been writing I um, I'm like I've been writing for years and um And I'm gonna be doing some more but yeah, I love it. It's like my my addiction Hopefully, unlike your brother, you can record vocals without having to be naked Yeah, you know, I think it's my theory about why um why my career originally took off because I think that people Thought that was something that ran in the family No, I don't need I don't need to be naked to sing Yeah, fair enough if if you deliver your Best vocal with your clothes off them whatever works for you, you know, yeah And I will sort like you know, sometimes people like have to be a candle on and they have to be in since and so what is your thing? Obviously, it's not that but like is there anything that you need to have like inspiration? I just like people's energy. I I'm really like if somebody's got a great Energy then it's like almost like a portal just opened and I can flow so if anyone blocks my flow I'm like yeah, it's just lovely to catch up again. You too. I've found some of your old Interviews and I want to see how your answers from 20 years ago are different to today. Okay Scott males with Natasha betting field on radio 2 are you ready for your same interview challenge? This isn't as scary as it seems and most people come out of the other side of it going that was fun It was a good look back. So I found your answers from an interview about 20 years ago. Wow, but what will you say to the same questions? Today, okay, this is actually interesting and I do feel a bit nervous though Please don't worry your answers have been voiced by an actor. So we're not going to hear your voice 20 years ago Um, we did this with Daniel your brother a few weeks ago and as you can imagine what's hilarious. Yeah, so let's see how yours go Shall we let's do it? Question one what one song would feature on the soundtrack of your life? Probably unwritten It's a very soundtrack song. I mean it is it is a life soundtrack I I think that that song has become much more relevant to me as I've sung it even though I wrote it like at those messages Have kind of taken on a new kind of meaning to me as I'm like, you know Back then you said
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sergeuch by stevie wonder.

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