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Like a Virgin
Reviewing 'Bottoms': A Comedy About High School Lesbians Starting an All Girls Fight Club
In this chapter, they give a non-spoiler review of the movie 'Bottoms,' describing it as a funny and absurd comedy about two high school lesbians starting an all girls fight club. They praise the movie for being very gay, with elements of revenge, and express appreciation for the absence of sexual violence. They discuss the impact of the film and its availability for the current generation.
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Speaker 2
And I did stand there for a moment kind of like making eyes at the person behind the counter sort of waiting for him to be like, don't worry about it. Don't worry about it. It's fine. He was like, okay, well, sorry. I am. He's like, we were in a stalemate and usually I win
Speaker 1
those. Yeah, I was going to say I actually would never. I was like engaging with a customer. I would never in a million years be like, let me, let me take your popcorn away, diva. Also, where's that popcorn going to
Speaker 2
go? Back into the
Speaker 1
bin? No.
Speaker 2
No, it's going to get thrown out. He should have just given it to me. Give me my popcorn and my Mountain Dew because Regal is a Pepsi cinema. I wasn't going to drink Pepsi. So I got a Mountain Dew. Thank God I had brought some candy with me. So it worked out. But anyway, welcome to like a virgin show. We give you yesterday's pop culture. Today's takes. And I'm Fran Toronto and we are not just coffee snobs. We also go to the theatre.
Speaker 1
And you have to know, speaking of non-AMC theatres rose, you went to a Regal, I'm going to the Alamo on Tuesday.
Speaker 2
I'm okay. I'm furious because the amount of times I've tried to get you to go to the Alamo and every time you've said no. Well, someone else is paying for it. Okay.
Speaker 1
I'm going to go see bottoms, which I think you've already seen. I have seen bottoms. I saw it on Saturday. I mean, can you give me like the non-spoiler kind of review? Yeah.
Speaker 2
Well, I mean, for anyone who doesn't know bottoms is this new comedy starring Rachel Senate and Iowa Debry. It's directed by Emma Seligman, who also co-wrote it with Rachel. And it's about these two horny loser lesbians at high school who decide that the way that they're going to get girls is to start an all girls fight club. Which is a genius premise for a film. It was so good. It was so funny. It's like perfectly absurd in the way that a really good teen comedy should be. Like, it's a very jawbreaker, very Heathers, a little mean girls, but meaner than mean girls. And it's so, so gay. Is there an element of revenge in
Speaker 1
it? Yes. Okay. I'm
Speaker 2
sold. Yes. I mean revenge. It's a total fantasy, but it takes place kind of in, you know, you don't, we don't really know where their school is, but it seems to be in a town where no one is sort of like preoccupied by wokeness. Yeah. But then at the same time, like these girls aren't facing like homophobic bullying. They're just losers. Oh, that's cool. But also like there's more misogyny than there is homophobia. I love that too. But it's sort of like amped up to a cartoonish level. Yeah, absurd. Okay. And the men, the one thing I appreciated was that even though the men like are very misogynistic, there's never any threat of sexual violence. Just like, actual violence. Just actual violence. Which I definitely
Speaker 1
prefer. I love actual violence as opposed to like other kinds of violence. I know that sounds crazy, but because it's at this absurdist or cartoonish level, it's like, okay, we're not taking ourselves too seriously, or if they were to kind of pivot and there were to be a sexual violence kind of thing, all of a sudden they're trying to say something about the world. And it's like, okay, I don't want to think about that. They were all like my animaniacs, like cartoons again.
Speaker 2
Yes. Everyone in the movie is so funny. I mean, it's really like IO kind of is the star. She's she is in three other movies or two other movies. She's going to be. Yeah. Rachel's amazing. All of the girls in their little club are really great. Tya Gerber, super funny. The Prince from Red, White, and Royal Blue is like the main male antagonist. And he's so funny. Yeah. He's doing this sort of like toxic masculinity, but it's this very like femtoxic masculinity. Oh, I love that. It's like toxic masculinity that's sort of like so stupid. It's like he's
Speaker 1
like child like in a way. In a feminine like man, baby villain.
Speaker 2
Yeah, it's giving like almost guest on a little bit. Okay.
Speaker 1
Oh, and he's straight, right? He's straight. Yeah.
Speaker 2
But he acts gay. I mean, he just acts.
Speaker 1
He's got those lips. He's like a baby. He's a big baby. Yeah. Okay. I love that. That honestly sounds way more interesting than whatever he did in Red, White, and Royal Blue. If you want to hear
Speaker 2
our pay while discussion on patreon.com slash like a virgin. There's a couple really good needle drops. Charlie XCX did the music for it. It was just so much fun. I had such a great time. I saw it on Saturday night at the Alamo in a packed house and everyone was roaring with laughter. Cool. Including me. Bottoms is only playing in 10 theaters in the US right now. So I know it's hard for people to see, but I told my sisters who are 20 and they're both queer that they had to see it and they had already been planning to. And I'm just so happy that their generation has a teen movie like this that is
Speaker 1
so fucking gay. Wow. And you didn't even like book smart, right? It kind of feels like almost book smarty, but I mean, I mean, just in terms of its audience demographic, not necessarily the film. I liked book smart.
Speaker 2
No, I like book smart. Oh, you did. Okay. I don't think book smart made as much of an impact on the culture as like people at the time kind of thought it was going
Speaker 1
to. Yeah, that's true. Like there was everyone was like, it's an Olivia Wilde's is on. And oh my God, they're going to be so many more like
Speaker 2
super bad. You with the songs again.
Speaker 1
Yes, I
Speaker 2
mean, but that's her first movie that
Speaker 1
she directed. But she was an actress up until that point, I guess. I don't know. I'm making fun of other people. I'm not like saying it was a song.
Speaker 2
No, I think it's it. People expected it to become an iconic teen movie. And I know that we're not that far out of it, but I just don't think it has embedded in the culture the way that I do think bottoms will. Yeah.
Speaker 1
Okay, I hope so too, because like with the strike, like they haven't really been given. A lot of films have been given these kind of like sag like exceptions that they can promote the film, but most of those are documentaries. And apparently there are two A24 films as
Speaker 2
well. And also very small indie films. Yeah. A friend who's in one of them.
Speaker 1
I also have friends that are in doing two different well, if actually, honestly, I'll plug them now.
Speaker 2
That's my friend is in love. Okay.
Speaker 1
Yeah. And also Kokomo City are movies that are like extremely worth finding screenings for if you can, because they've been given the sag exception. Yes.
Speaker 2
It was kind of crazy to see bottoms knowing that in a normal media landscape, this is the kind of movie where every person who is in it would jump up one fame level because of how good the movie is and how big it would be. And I think it will still happen for some of the people in that like they're all definitely going to get more jobs from this. Like it's definitely the leads, definitely the director. I feel like she'll have the her next project after this. I feel like will be a bigger movie. But you know, like none of them can promote it. And it's I think if if they could, this movie would be everywhere right now in a way that it's not going to be, but it's still doing really well despite that. Yeah. I mean, I, I, and Rachel
Speaker 1
are already like, they've already been kind of like the girls to book in the last year in some way. And so I kind of agree with you. Yeah. Like I'm, I want, I wish they could promote it. I want more for them. But once it goes just streaming, I'm sure it'll have like another huge moment.
Speaker 2
Yeah. We got to get it to streaming quick because people just can't see it like right now. So, um, do you know what I watched
Speaker 1
last night? What I watched the flash. Oh, Fran. I told
Speaker 2
you I was going to see it. Oh, Fran. Look, we flipped, we flipped it on.
Speaker 1
We were like, Oh, this is available on max now. Why don't we watch it as remillers and it non binary something something. This was supposed to reset the DC cinematic universe. None of those words are in the Bible. I mean, I don't need to talk about it in depth because you haven't seen it. Slash. You're never going to see it. Never. Never. See, I thought at one point you were maybe thinking about it.
Speaker 2
I was thinking about it when I was bored and it was in theaters, but now that I would have to commit to sitting and watching it on TV. No.
Speaker 1
Well, okay. So the thing for me is like I'm, I'm going to talk less about the actual movie and more just about what's surrounding it because you know more about that too. And like.
Speaker 2
But was the movie
Speaker 1
good? So top line, I would say the first two thirds of the movie are actually genuinely lovely. I think that there are some effects that are very bad. It feels sometimes like when I was watching the movie, like they realized that it was going to bomb and they decided to like not finish the visual effects. Oh, interesting. There's a really huge like action, action sequence at the beginning where the visual, like it's this. Do you want me to just tell you what happens? There's basically there's a building on fire and it's like a hospital and a, and like a, the building kind of collapses and tons of babies fall out of
Speaker 2
the. Oh, I've seen the thing with the baby. Yes. With the
Speaker 1
microwave. Yes. And he, he saves all of these babies. And yes, it is a he, him, the flash like Barry is a he, him. And he's also Latino. Oh, yeah.
Speaker 2
The, the. Is Ezra Miller allowed to know? Okay.
Speaker 1
Yeah. Just some thought, just some things that I noticed. Yeah. Ezra Miller is not Latinx. They are Dutch and French and Irish or something like that. But Barry is Argentinian, which is cool. And the whole plot revolves around his mother. You, and if you already saw the, the baby shower clip, that was like one of the moments where I was like, this is like genuinely like kind of fun, but like the effects are so distracting. I can't actually like see this scene. But Ezra himself was actually amazing. And I, I was like, you are genuinely funny, engaging. Like you're hitting every single joke. The characterization of Barry as a flash to me is trying to fulfill what Spider-Man does for Marvel, where it's this entry point of a teen. Like in every, every day kind of kid, kind of a loser, like has a fast metabolism, like always eating. And there was something genuinely exciting about that addition to DC in a world where it's just like Wonder Woman, Batman, Superman, these like huge heavy hitters and no kind of like on the street. Yes. Great level heroes. Apprentice level heroes kind of. And there hasn't been like a flash movie has technically been in the work since the 80s. And this reboot, like I think was only picked up again in like 2014. So it's been like eons of like blabered development over this film that had many directors. And then on top of that, the Ezra Miller drama, which we don't need to summarize for you. But like, I don't know, I'm just curious. I have like more to say about the film. For the most part, it's like the last third was really bad. And the multiverse of it all is like really derivative of like everything we just saw in Spider-Man No Way Home. So like for me, it was just kind of a flop, even if Ezra Miller was genuinely lovely.
Speaker 2
Michael Keaton
Speaker 1
was very fun. I think the cameo. So if you don't know that it's already been talked about all over press. So Michael Keaton came back to reprieve his role as Batman, which is a very, very genius idea if they didn't already
Speaker 2
do it in Spider-Man No Way Home like a year ago.
Speaker 1
So it's like just derivative. It's just it's so, so uninsp- it was so uninspired to me that I had a hard time enjoying it. But he was love, he was amazing. And the characterization of old Batman that Michael Keaton instated alongside Ben Affleck as Batman, who was also in the movie because there are multiple batmans and multiple flashes of course, as well as a CGI back from the dead Adam West Batman, Nick Cage as Batman, like all of these old movie batmans coming
Speaker 2
back. Very weird.
Speaker 1
George Clooney Batman. George Clooney
Speaker 2
came back. Oh.
Speaker 1
He had a nipples. Wish. But yeah, no, it was just so it was like girls like this is so monkey see monkey do like do you not have
Speaker 2
any? Can you come up with something else? Something else.
Speaker 1
Oh, oh, oh, I forgot to say it. Michael Keaton was re-preasing maybe you'd be interested this was re-preasing a version of old Batman like they call him old Batman. And it's this version in the comics of Batman that comes to help flash solve a kind of time travel dilemma. Okay. And I thought that was like in the lore. I thought that was really cool. But overall the movie was totally fine. I think it's recommend I would actually recommend you stream it because I think it's genuinely fun. And I also
Speaker 2
think I came away from the
Speaker 1
movie. Unsurprised by the lack of quality and the derivative nature of it, but completely surprised by what was a very strong performance by Ezra Miller and a wonderful contribution to the DC cinematic universe. The flash to me is 10 times more interesting than Superman or Wonder Woman. And I am really bummed that Ezra sucks so much that the movie kind of tanked. I mean the movie tank for a lot of reasons, but I think Ezra's controversies were the primary reason that the movie tanked, right? I think it's a mix of that and just superhero fatigue in general. Yeah, right. I mean the movie is not like amazing like I'm not going to cry home about it. But I do, I think that Ezra Miller's performance was worthy of valuation and I think that the flash as a character is great. It was a cool character. So yeah, I'm kind of bummed that it didn't work out for Warner, poor Warner. Poor Warner. But it was
Speaker 2
so diabolically. I know. Um,
Speaker 1
poor Warner media, um, Warner media, I mean they had their big, it was one of their biggest flops of all time. They lost 200 million. Love to see that. Yeah, I do love to see that actually.
Speaker 3
So
Speaker 2
thank you Ezra Miller. If that's if those are all of your thoughts on the flash, those are all my thoughts. Ezra Miller is queering the entertainment industry by way of making the movie flop. I know that we want to talk about Rony, but I do want to make a brief pit stop and share
Speaker 1
that I am a gamer now. Information that I know, but I'm a shock that you want to share with the version. I am a
Speaker 2
gamer. Well, let's not say that. No, no, no. After this week, no girl, I am, I am gaming. You'll lose for like, mark my words, Rose will lose interest in three months. Hours a day. Um, I, so I, um, you know, am in the middle of a little, little depressive episode and I thought that, you know, distracting myself with video games might be a good way to deal with that in my therapist agreed. So I bought a Nintendo switch. I originally tried playing Stardew Valley because I thought maybe something sort of like cozy low stakes would be the way to go. I got bored. I got bored within, I mean, three minutes. Okay, I'll play Stardew Valley for you. Um, and then I also bought, when I bought my switch, I bought the Witcher three, the Wild Hunt because I, I love the Witcher show. And I figured like a sort of, um, RPG like swords and sorcery, more quest driven game would like very narrative driven would be good for me. And honey, I was right. You were right. Because the first night I played it, I played it for five hours. Yeah. I forgot to eat dinner. Yeah. And then I woke up the next morning and the first thing I did was like, Oh fuck, I got to kill that Griffin and I pulled my switch and I was, and I just went down. This makes me so happy. And like the other, and I, it's the great thing about it is that while I'm playing, I don't think about anything. All I'm thinking about is what I have to do. I'm like, fuck, I have to find that goat so that that guy will conjure up a spirit so that I can find those two missing women so that I can get the information from the Baron so that I can find my adoptive daughter and slay all these monsters. How far are you? I mean, I'm not that far. Okay. So I'm going to get the switch. Yeah. I'm only playing it. I did get, I did get the OLED switch so I can play on my TV, but I've only been playing on the console. And I've been trying to limit myself to just a couple hours a day because the time warps so quickly. Oh yeah. And I haven't started bringing it anywhere. Like I haven't brought it on the bus or anything. I'm only playing it at home, but I'm obsessed. And I think this is my new era for now. You'll see. Like, but I do feel you're right in that I think another version of me would have gotten bored or like as soon as I came up against like the first challenge that I couldn't beat, I would have just been like, oh, I'm done. But not now. Like I'm stuck on this fight right now where I have to kill this miscarried baby who turned into a monster and then is like summoning these ghouls. And I'm like, I can't, I can't beat the level. Like I've done it like 10 times in the past 24 hours. And usually I would just like walk away or I would like find a cheat code or something. Honey, I am killing that baby. If it's the last thing I do. Do you need help?
Speaker 1
Maybe I should try to kill the baby. It's got to be me.
Speaker 2
It's got to be me.
Speaker 1
I'm the Witcher. Yeah, you are the Witcher. I am the Witcher. Oh my God. Wait, I'm so happy for your gaming, your gaming journey.
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