I think what people forget is media needs to be lightweight. When you start building heavy layers of management and offices and publications, these things become very hard to sustain. I've always been a fan of lightweight. We're six days a week here with a team of nine or something,. And then four people on production nine. That's a big team, but not for like a daily show, or we do six plus all in seven a week. But other teams got really big. It's terrible across the board. This is the future independent voices, independent podcasts, a combination of like subjects going direct to their audiences and journalists going indie.

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