i think the writing about violence and incarceration in race is like the most complicated thing that's on america's radara. And so what i think is that, you know, we talk about like, difficult books, but we don't talk enough about difficult writing. I s ay in the book,. you know, co i can make a case for anything. "I have no idea o what we said right im," he says of his meeting with James gibney at The New York Times.