i think there's something about that threatand and i talk about it in this episode, how really we've been sort of ashamed to believe in these experiences. And maybe as spiritual people like our only real job is to remember and to strengthen ourselves so that we can move past our own judgments and our own shame. I'm going to be thinking about this for a long time, but it really sparked something in me. You got to buy her book. She's brilliant.

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