I don't know of anybody who actually says, i would rather be wrong about the world than be right about it. I have also been very, very clear that the empirical implications and consequences of religious belief are messy. The one thing i would point to is, you know, in our world have morals. We have rules for behavior. What we don't have is an agreed upon way of getting them or justifying them right as a society. And those justifications fail ause i don't believe, i don't accept the moral, the religious starting point that they have. When it comes to ethics and morality, we would have a much better conversation if we started by admitting that we leve