How Did You Get People to Collaborate With You?

I wasn't going to let my fear of getting nose from people or my fear of, am I not big enough? Do I have a big social media following? Even if I had two followers, it would have been worth the conversation with Simon Gramerie because I believed in what I was doing. So I think that's an important lesson is people, if you're starting out with 50 and you're like, I'm waiting for a thousand until I reach out to Brené Brown. And then like chart a course to make it to those people and do those activations or those collaborations early on.

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