The Journey of Music and Ayahuasca

Both of you have this background of exploring music shamanically and music as a way of guiding people through through journeys. So tell me a bit about that discovery process for you. Like how did you find yourself on that path and what role did music play? Well, again, you know, I got into the journey work for purely selfish reasons. You know, I wasn't planning on doing it for anybody else. This was 30 years ago. It was not even close to how it is now.