"I just don't think most of them have a way out, or think they have a choice," he says. "There's your telling me that 30 million people genuinely believe that they live in paradise, despite the fact that they're starving to death?" 'That is as good as it gets,' she adds. "'If you don't know what it's like somewhere else, you just have no comparison' I'm not sure how much more propaganda there needs to be."