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Episode 478: Foreign Policy, Adoption, & Race with Esau McCaulley & Jamie Ivey

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Adoption

When your wife got pregnant unexpectedly, you considered adopting. Your mother-in-law advised against it because she didn't want one child to feel odd or different than everyone else. You've since adopted three children; was that a conscious decision on your part? "It's just the way god planned our family," he says.

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