The first belt you get in Jiu Jitsu is called a blue belt usually takes about two or three years. They don't have anything near that level of training unless they pursue it on their own. Same thing with police officers. They'll get a couple hours literally a couple hours total of how to deal with someone in a hand to hand situation and that is it. And like I said, it's very, you know, people die in physical confrontation all the time. So it's just very hard to say.

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