I think there is a way in which you can cancel out your demographic affiliations. If you show yourself as being someone who's not committed to that project of, of radical egalitarianism. I'm very motivated by, by those arguments are had been when I, when I left the religion. But then, you know, lots of things are wrong. Some things are wrong and not so quite harmful because they're not really affecting a lot of people. Like maybe I believe in like astrology and the way that it impacts me is that I wear my Sagittarius, whatever, Virgo, necklace or beads of various rocks. And I think it gives me some kind of magical power.

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