"It's part listen it works out great for them because you change the narrative for long enough that it doesn't matter oh right until they're gone," says Simon. "As long as the like manson it was just that way it was never even proposed that it may be wrong so you can't even get into a discussion about whether it's right or wrong", he adds. 'How many of these things where you thought that are actually orchestrated by one party or another and then when you know about things like the cia and manson and um winds of change'