How Do We Build That Consensus?

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i'm quite an optimist on the sem and i think it's because when you som out o politics, i think has this funny quality. It's like a sort of iridescence, or something that might be the word,. When you look up close, it feels pretty grim m and gloomy. But ats you wino sum o, sometimes you can see progress. So to stay here, stay hopeful, i guess it is one of the messages of the book," he says.

James Plunkett's new book, End State: 9 Ways Society is Broken, draws on his years working in both public policy and at the top tiers of government. A former advisor to UK prime minister Gordon Brown, his book looks at how to reboot some key ideas ranging from commerce to healthcare for a nation such as the UK in order to provide better quality of life for larger sections of society. James joins urbanist, transport and tech specialist Kat Hanna to talk about the book.

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