Are You Born Again Before You Believe?

joe, i would love to explain that this is something that's now kind of come up a we had a call shirl and i did a couple of weeks back. So if you couldplain fir johnfive warnd me. M i'll hang up so i can listen. I thinka the reformed stants on thistey, i think they spoke a little bit too soon when it goes to show you're born again, or born of god, and then the faith comes after. It has nothing to do with initial salvation. It has everything to do with discovering which people are actually saved. We need to make a distinction between doctrine and about how christ is viewed. If you