Outro

Michael D. Fuller joins to talk about Hulu's Murdaugh: Death in the Family. The conversation digs into what scripted drama can do that true-crime podcasts and prosecutors can't, especially around messy motives and family dynamics that don't fit a neat trial narrative. Plus, an opening segment on Trump's "don't give up the ship" blowup, congressional warnings about illegal orders, and new allegations that Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth ordered what may amount to a war crime at sea.

Produced by Corey Wara

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