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Are You Afraid of an Elevator?

Psychologists have been trying to cure phobias like agrophobia by getting sufferers into elevators. But they found it's not the same thing as running from something you're afraid of. The key is for a patient to trust their therapist and let them do what they want, says Dr. David Perry.

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