If you can't poke around in the invention meeting, it's not built yet. At that point we often need to rely on our prior relationship or seeing what they built before. I think of roe who came to us, zachare ratano, i worked with it y c previously, and then he came to us with rob shots as the head of digi marketing at bark box. He brought bark box from zero to a hundred million a year in revenue less than 12 months,. 18 months maybe, really, really fast.

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