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18 David Chapman on Stages of Maturation, Dzogchen, and the Future of Buddhism

The Imperfect Buddha Podcast

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What Is Stage Five?

stage five is skill in dealing with the interface between systems and reality. Stage four can accommodate complexity but it is a somewhat rigid and white, highly defined complexity. When that works, it can be enormously powerful and effective. And then when it breaks down, the breakdown can be disastrous,. Because there isn't an appreciation for the kinds of what i call nebula city - roughly emptiness in vadriana or ambiguity, vagueness.

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