The way government works, and i have done public policy work before, now, in my younger days, that you get to know what subjects the minister wants to hear. So it's like a filtering out pyramid. We're at each stage up the pyramid, you lose information because people are self censuring it. If somebody like boris johnson actually got this stuff and decided to act on it, i think of the problem with the organic that this is just happening almost unconsciously. It would be very difficult for a political leader to actually turn the ship around. But if you had honest politicians realizing this stuff and putting the truth on the table, that, look, there are hard choices to

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