"I think it in a lot of senses, people are literally repelled and I've never been able to articulate why that is because underneath all of these things we're talking about," she says. "From the moment that we're born, we're told, fit in, don't ruffle the feathers ... And so by taking a stance, you are quite literally going against the fabric of what society teaches us." She adds: "You have to take risks and by taking risks, you can kind of get noticed".

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