i think that looking at a vermir painting is more satisfying experience than looking at a rembrandt. Rembrandd, i agree, had an extraordinary capacity to make him yunow to find himself in the psychology of the sitters. But when you look at that extraordinary, electrifying painting, it's really rembrandt dissolving his personality inside the ethos of the group. And there's a kind of method, isn't there, in the way that both our speakers are approaching their subject matter.

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