**Part 1 of 2**
I am joined by renowned UFO researcher & author, Grant Cameron for over 2 hours and 30 minutes to discuss;
His new book "Beyond Managing Magic"
How the book changed and why
Secret keepers in UFOlogy
Tom DeLonge's journey
Current state of Disclosure
Why it isnt 'ET'
And much much more
Grants website;
https://whitehouseufo.blogspot.com/
Grants youtube;
https://www.youtube.com/c/whitehouseufo
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Andy
