I think there needs to be a political theory of entropy. I don't think we're at a point where the American people are just like total nihilists. We should all be able to say, hey, norms have actually been really terrible. Norms can be right. They can be really regressive. All sorts of terrible things have been legal and are legal slavery was legal. You know, so we don't want to fetishize rules for their own sake,. But I do think we want to be attuned to the fact that, yeah, it's very difficult. It's very difficult to build things and entropy will get us.

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