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What comes after we abolish borders? Gracie Mae Bradley and Luke De Noronha

The Verso Podcast

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The Butterfly Effect: Understanding Ourself as Part of a Wider Ecosystem

I think if we just understand ourselves as part of a wider ecosystem that I think takes a lot of the pressure off and I know that you've talked about abolition feeling kind of daunting or overwhelming but actually for me when I think about like I am one person acting and working with lots of other people sometimes we're doing that strategically and together. We should be thinking about not just what change we're making in the here and now and what we're prefiguring right now but also what are we making possible for people who come after us. What might we inspire in people who see what we're up to right now? That's where I want to be.

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