The Hug, That's Not Just Turn Jesus Into a Hug

The church has wrestled with this question for as long as I've been asking some of these questions. And sometimes when we're stuck, we're back against the wall, we're in a corner. There's not much light, you know, there's some, there's a bad smell. We don't want a hug. We want a way out. But yeah, the hug, that's not just turn Jesus into a hug. No, no, it's fine.